The Great Mavis Staples With Ben Harper: “We Get By” [VIDEO]

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Lyrics

We get by on love and faith
We get by with a smile on our face
We get by with help from our kin
We get by through thick and through thin
We get by
No matter what happens I’ll be there for you
We get by

Was just the other day
I heard from my old friend
She was going through changes once again
Matters of the head
Matters of the heart
May be too early to tell
But it’s never too late to start
We get by
No matter how long I’ll be waiting here for you
We get by

Day by day line by line
If you don’t have yours you got mine
We get by day by day
We get by in our own way
We get by
No matter what happens I’ll be there for you
No matter how long I’ll be waiting here for you
No matter how far I’ll come running
We get by

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1
dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:55:14pm

Uggh, left the channel on ABC after the game. Local TV news doesn’t change - crime, crime, crime and more crime. Makes you think they want you terrified to leave the house so you just stay inside and watch their reports of … more crime!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:57:26pm

Arizona Man On Trial For Felonious Decency To Migrants (Wonkette with another aspect of the New Conservative Cruelty, same as the Old Conservative Cruelty with moar added MAGA):

In Tucson, federal prosecutors are trying to prove that a humanitarian aid worker engaged in “conspiracy” and “harboring” two undocumented Central Americans who showed up at his group’s desert aid station in January 2018. Scott Warren, of the nonprofit No More Deaths, gave the men food and water and, along with other volunteers, let them rest up for three days at the facility in Ajo, Arizona, known as “The Barn,” so that apparently counts as a big-time criminal human-smuggling operation. Warren’s federal trial began Wednesday in Tucson; he’s charged with three felony counts: one for “conspiring to transport” the men, and two counts of “harboring” them. Also, the men didn’t really need help, because they took selfies on their phones. Yes, the prosecution is really arguing that.

Warren’s attorney, Gregory Kuykendall, said in his opening statement that the government has the burden of proving that Warren “intended to violate the law.”

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Keep reading through the article and you can see just how cruel they are trying to be. Conservatives are trying to take our humanity, as they have done in other countries and other times before. That part is required if you want to really crank up a genocide.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 9:00:39pm
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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 9:03:53pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Such bullshit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:04:43pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Remember that Cenk’s Sugar Daddy at TYT is Republican Buddy Roemer.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:07:54pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Remember that Cenk’s Sugar Daddy at TYT is Republican Buddy Roemer.

Cenk also used to be a Republican himself.

From the previous thread:

re: #136 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s why I love Elizabeth! She has a backbone and will call out the racists at 19th Century Fox.

There are no voters to sway there. In addition to being a racist cesspool, there is no benefit to Sen. Warren in spending wasting time there. Campaign time is limited.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:11:12pm

I generally have the air conditioner running all night past Memorial Day. But it’s been unseasonably cold here in Los Angeles and I have the heater going…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 9:12:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:14:29pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

I generally have the air conditioner running all night past Memorial Day. But it’s been unseasonably cold here in Los Angeles and I have the heater going…

We have the heater going in our hotel room in Greenville, Michigan as well.

Global warming is a hoax!!1!!2uno1!!

I’m off to bed. Working my way south and west tomorrow to visit Mom on my birthday. (I can use the same line I did with my cousin: I was just passing through on my birthday, and I decided to give you me as a present.)

G’night, y’all.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 9:15:27pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Boo fucking hoo.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:15:27pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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But Megan told Senator Warren that there are no racists at 19th Century Fox!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 9:16:41pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Ace-o-aces  May 30, 2019 • 9:17:03pm

Came a across this golden oldie while trolling though the Trump Twitter Archive:

trumptwitterarchive.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 9:20:20pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I wonder if CCJ is butthurt that he didn’t make it on to the graphic.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:22:16pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I wonder why Laura didn’t include this clown in her Conservative Posse.

The Utah Outcasts vs. Jesse Lee Peterson (NSFW but I’m laughing my ass off!)

Jesse Lee Peterson Confused About LGBTQ Marriage Titles

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 9:22:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 9:24:46pm

Pelosi is on Kimmel tonight if anyone is interested.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 9:27:47pm

re: #13 Ace-o-aces

The umbrella is all of us…

Trump’s umbrella goes into a fit due to the windy weather - Daily Mail

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:28:03pm

re: #16 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It wants to be the 21st Century Eva Braun.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 9:30:34pm

I’m sure FOX News raise a stink

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Ace-o-aces  May 30, 2019 • 9:31:25pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if CCJ is butthurt that he didn’t make it on to the graphic.

CCJs banning was the last thing that united people across the political spectrum. Everyone from Dana Loesch to David Brock was celebrating that day.

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teleskiguy  May 30, 2019 • 9:37:20pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 9:46:14pm

The Leader Of The Free World slammed Trump at Harvard while receiving a standing ovation and thunderous applause.

bloomberg.com

Angela Merkel delivered a forensic takedown of Donald Trump and his presidency to Harvard University’s class of 2019 on Thursday as she urged graduates to act with integrity and self-control as they embark on their careers.

Yet she also warned of the damage done to public life when people treat “lies as truth and truth as lies” and suggested it’s better to stop and think before acting on “first impulses” — comments that prompted cheers and laughter.

The 64-year-old chancellor has been horrified by Trump’s willingness to go back on his word as she tries to hold together the global order that the U.S. helped to create. Just over two years after Trump took office, some of Merkel’s aides worry the breakdown in U.S.-German relations has passed the point of no return.

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sagehen  May 30, 2019 • 9:54:19pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

Arizona Man On Trial For Felonious Decency To Migrants (Wonkette with another aspect of the New Conservative Cruelty, same as the Old Conservative Cruelty with moar added MAGA):

(more)

Keep reading through the article and you can see just how cruel they are trying to be. Conservatives are trying to take our humanity, as they have done in other countries and other times before. That part is required if you want to really crank up a genocide.

Watch how the wingnuts freak out when he tries to claim “sincere religious belief”… He can certainly find a whole lot more scriptural verses demanding he do what he did than the anti-birth control whacks can find to back their refusal to follow the law.

Then maybe bring a whole parade of clergy in to testify on his behalf; Catholic, Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Jewish, Mormon, etc etc etc. Should be easy enough to make it into a cable-news spectacle.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 9:59:07pm

Me in another baby pic. I’m not the baby in this one though.

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Dave In Austin  May 30, 2019 • 10:29:05pm
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teleskiguy  May 30, 2019 • 10:38:03pm

re: #26 Dave In Austin

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:05:17pm

The famous “group photo” of operational US Air Force aircraft, taken at Eglin AFB in 1957. This was well-known to aero-buffs of my generation since it appeared in countless promotional and recruiting ads and was featured in several editions of the World Book Encyclopedia. The amazing thing is that 3 of the types pictured, the C-130, B-52, and KC-135, are still in service today.

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teleskiguy  May 30, 2019 • 11:21:28pm
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teleskiguy  May 30, 2019 • 11:22:19pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:28:04pm

Imagination run wild.
Artist’s conception, or misconception, of a 21st century rigid airship. There is no hint at how they might keep the open pool deck warm at altitude in Arctic conditions. Maybe it’s nuclear powered. Note shrubbery.


It resembles this fanciful proposal from 1930:
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:29:45pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

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sagehen  May 30, 2019 • 11:35:38pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Imagination run wild.
Artist’s conception, or misconception, of a 21st century rigid airship. There is no hint at how they might keep the open pool deck warm at altitude in Arctic conditions. Maybe it’s nuclear powered. Note shrubbery.

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maybe it’s not an open pool deck; maybe it’s under a super-transparent high-tech new form of plastic…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:39:05pm

re: #33 sagehen

maybe it’s not an open pool deck; maybe it’s under a super-transparent high-tech new form of plastic…

Why not? Seems as likely as the rest of it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:41:34pm

Lubbock prayer warriors are trying to pray away the Democrat demons who keep chasing President Trump around.

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 12:46:31am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

0243 in CDT, 73 degrees with chance of insomnia. One of my co-workers was flight engineer on a B36, which probably made him the busiest man in the AF. Another was navigator on Looking Glass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 12:57:59am

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It was gettin TYT employees like this idiot to run around the country pushing Russian propaganda about “economic anxiety” and “identity politics” to Democrats and Independents.

There was a degree of “economic anxiety”, but even when these people were less economically anxious, they were and remain dyed-in-the-wool racists. And that is what the GOP appealed to.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 12:59:11am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Laura Ingraham included white supremacist anti-Semite Paul Nehlen in a graphic of “prominent voices censored on social media”

“Congress shall make now law…”

nothing in there about social media platforms making rules.

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Ace-o-aces  May 31, 2019 • 12:59:47am
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Ace-o-aces  May 31, 2019 • 1:07:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 1:10:39am

re: #40 Ace-o-aces

I’m sorry, are you under the impression that you can just get gender reassignment surgery without any kind of psychiatric work up?

Do not expect these people to inform themselves before expressing their moral outrage.

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Dave In Austin  May 31, 2019 • 1:11:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 1:16:33am

re: #42 Dave In Austin

BREAKING: New video shows mega-church pastor Kenneth Copeland being confronted for owning private jets while preaching the gospel. The exchange between him and the brave reporter is something you have to see to believe!

It is easy to tell that he is a manipulative sociopath but he has his flock mesmerized because there are people out there looking for a pastor to fleece them.

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Old Liberal  May 31, 2019 • 1:19:07am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is easy to tell that he is a manipulative sociopath but he has his flock mesmerized because there are people out there looking for a pastor to fleece them.

The donors get something for their money. Feelings. And they understand he is rich and they believe god made him rich.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 31, 2019 • 1:22:31am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 1:23:17am

re: #44 Old Liberal

The donors get something for their money. Feelings. And they understand he is rich and they believe god made him rich.

And Calvinism lives on in America: they see his wealth as an out expression of his Inner Grace. And you see how Copeland tries to dominate the conversation, both wheedling and threatening, and then calling on God to help him.

I have to admire the reporter for sticking to her guns and trying to get a straight answer out of him, even though it is clearly not possible.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 31, 2019 • 1:30:00am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The famous “group photo” of operational US Air Force aircraft, taken at Eglin AFB in 1957. This was well-known to aero-buffs of my generation since it appeared in countless promotional and recruiting ads and was featured in several editions of the World Book Encyclopedia. The amazing thing is that 3 of the types pictured, the C-130, B-52, and KC-135, are still in service today.

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When I was a kid, we lived in Ft. Walton Beach when my Dad was stationed at Eglin. Gorgeous white beaches.

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 31, 2019 • 1:34:25am

re: #42 Dave In Austin

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 31, 2019 • 1:36:24am

re: #48 Sufficient unto the day…

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Not a demon, just an evil man.

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 1:40:59am

re: #47 NO SMOCKING GUN!

When I was a kid, we lived in Ft. Walton Beach when my Dad was stationed at Eglin. Gorgeous white beaches.

Still gorgeous, but that area, up to the AL border, has become the elephant graveyard for RW nutcases.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 1:41:39am

re: #49 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not a demon, just an evil man.

“It’s a biblical thing, a spiritual thing”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 1:42:36am

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Still gorgeous, but that area, up to the AL border, has become the elephant graveyard for RW nutcases.

As somebody noted about Florida: “Farther north you go, the more Southern you get.”

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 1:52:30am

So, another political scandal has blown up in the Czech Republic, yet again centered around the oligarch PM Andrej Babiš.

Via Google Translate:

The preliminary results of the audit conducted by the European Commission in the Czech Republic due to the possible conflict of interests of the Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babiš from the ANO movement have already been received by the Czech authorities. The editors of the Ministry of Finance Michal Žurovec confirmed this to the editors of irozhlas.cz. In addition to the Ministry of Finance, the document also has a Ministry for Regional Development. Hospodarske noviny wrote - with reference to unnamed sources - that Andrej Babis is in a conflict of interest.

“We can confirm that the Ministry of Finance, together with the Ministry for Regional Development, has received a preliminary draft audit report from the European Commission on setting up a system for reimbursing structural subsidies in the Czech Republic,” a spokeswoman for the Finance Ministry told irozhlas.cz.

According to him, the draft audit report has 71 pages and is in English. “At the outset, there is a disclaimer that these are the provisional findings, conclusions and recommendations of the EC auditors, which can be changed based on further information from national authorities. Therefore, according to this information, the report should be considered confidential until the conclusion of the process and the time of the final findings, “Žurovec added.

Original in Czech: irozhlas.cz

This is, right now, the big story - to say the least. Naturally, Babiš can be expected to try to Trump his way out of this by claiming (as he has ad nauseam) that it’s all part of a vast conspiracy against him.

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 1:55:01am

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Never mind - the other source I was going to post is behind a paywall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 1:56:05am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Naturally, Babiš can be expected to try to Trump his way out of this by claiming (as he has ad nauseam) that it’s all part of a vast conspiracy against him.

Hon na čarodějnice!

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 1:57:50am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hon na čarodějnice!

LOL, that’s pretty much what he’s been claiming. It’s really quite disgusting yet he does have the support of about 30 to 40% of the electorate.

It’s basically a personality cult, centered around the idea that “a rich businessman can’t possibly be corrupt!”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 31, 2019 • 2:13:06am

Fauré - Fantaisie Op. 79

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 31, 2019 • 2:13:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 2:37:18am

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

It’s basically a personality cult, centered around the idea that “a rich businessman can’t possibly be corrupt!”

One of the talking points I always heard about Trump is that he is independently wealthy and thus not beholden to any special political interests.

Of course, any examination of his personal finances will find that he is very deep in the pockets of foreign interests.

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 2:43:12am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the talking points I always heard about Trump is that he is independently wealthy and thus not beholden to any special political interests.

Of course, any examination of his personal finances will find that he is very deep in the pockets of foreign interests.

A similar argument is made in favor of Babiš. Granted, he does have some good ideas, but the problem is that he’s used shady accounting procedures and (most likely) illegally received EU agricultural subsidies to which his company wasn’t entitled. Not to mention some very serious conflicts of interest.

But the sheep that continually support him simply cannot seem to comprehend that having a corrupt businessman, a genuine oligarch, as head of government is an exceedingly bad idea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 2:49:10am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

But the sheep that continually support him simply cannot seem to comprehend that having a corrupt businessman, a genuine oligarch, as head of government is an exceedingly bad idea.

People hate politicians and politics as usual and figure that the answer is to bring in an outsider who will kick ass and get things done…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 31, 2019 • 2:49:48am

Cute wildlife cams Day 3 🐦🐤🐤 | BBC Springwatch

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2019 • 3:16:46am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People hate politicians and politics as usual and figure that the answer is to bring in an outsider who will kick ass and get things done…

Which in an ideal situation would work since sometimes the ruts need to be shaken up.

All to often instead you get a power hungry autocrat who doesn’t understand how compromise and coalition building works since the job is to be of service to the entire country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 3:23:31am

re: #63 Feline Fearless Leader

Which in an ideal situation would work since sometimes the ruts need to be shaken up.

All to often instead you get a power hungry autocrat who doesn’t understand how compromise and coalition building works since the job is to be of service to the entire country.

“We need to run government like a business” is a big motto.

It does apply to a certain extent: government should be run on a transparent, sustainable and “profitable” basis.

But those “profits” do not just mean snort-term gains for shareholders, but the greater good for all citizens

And those who think like businesspeople tend to look on costs such as health care, safety, education, environmental protections, etc., merely as expenses to be minimized to help the “bottom line” (i.e., in order to be able to reduce taxes) instead of as ongoing, long-term investments in a healthy work force and society.

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Patricia Kayden  May 31, 2019 • 3:30:40am

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

If there’s a jury, this is where jury nullification should come into the picture. This reminds me of laws against helping slaves escape. Being kind to migrants shouldn’t be a crime. Period.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2019 • 3:31:59am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“We need to run government like a business” is a big motto.

It does apply to a certain extent: government should be run on a transparent, sustainable and “profitable” basis.

But those “profits” do not just mean snort-term gains for shareholders, but the greater good for all citizens

And those who think like businesspeople tend to look on costs such as health care, safety, education, environmental protections, etc., merely as expenses to be minimized to help the “bottom line” (i.e., in order to be able to reduce taxes) instead of as ongoing, long-term investments in a healthy work force and society.

Right. An ideal “businessman” to run a government might well be one who has run a large service non-profit. That would imply some understanding of employee/citizen well-being, budgeting, and working with people in a cooperative way since non-profits and voluntary organizations have a harder time playing “my way or the highway” since it is pretty easy to walk away from those.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 3:32:24am

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

If there’s a jury, this is where jury nullification should come into the picture. This reminds me of laws against helping slaves escape. Being kind to migrants shouldn’t be a crime. Period.

They will either avoid a jury, or this being Arizona, find people who think the fellow was aiding terrorists, rapists and drug smugglers.

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Patricia Kayden  May 31, 2019 • 3:33:19am

re: #58 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

So Americans are paying for the wall which Trump promised would be paid for by Mexico and now we’re about to pay more for Mexican produce such as avocados and mangoes. Oh joy!!

Thanks Trump!!

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Patricia Kayden  May 31, 2019 • 3:39:57am

re: #42 Dave In Austin

He’s so sexist and condescending. To be fair to him though, he’s not the only greedy pastor. As a teen, I remember Oral Roberts claiming that if he didn’t get $1 million dollars in donations, God would take him. Unbelievably, he got his money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 3:45:26am

re: #68 Patricia Kayden

So Americans are paying for the wall which Trump promised would be paid for by Mexico and now we’re about to pay more for Mexican produce such as avocados and mangoes. Oh joy!!

Thanks Trump!!

People are stupid enough to believe that these tariffs are being paid by Mexico. And if they do hurt the Mexican economy, that will simply motivate even more people to come to the USA looking for work…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 3:47:11am

re: #66 Feline Fearless Leader

Right. An ideal “businessman” to run a government might well be one who has run a large service non-profit.

Might as well ask for a Philosopher-King.

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Old Liberal  May 31, 2019 • 3:59:12am

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

He’s so sexist and condescending. To be fair to him though, he’s not the only greedy pastor. As a teen, I remember Oral Roberts claiming that if he didn’t get $1 million dollars in donations, God would take him. Unbelievably, he got his money.

Why don’t christians want to be with jeebus?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 31, 2019 • 4:10:34am

re: #58 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Market futures are nose diving on the report of Trump’s new trade war with Mexico. MAGA!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 31, 2019 • 4:13:42am

re: #68 Patricia Kayden

So Americans are paying for the wall which Trump promised would be paid for by Mexico and now we’re about to pay more for Mexican produce such as avocados and mangoes. Oh joy!!

Thanks Trump!!

Not to mention cars and other stuff built in Mexico or that have parts built in Mexico. Trump is a tax and spend Republican.

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steve_davis  May 31, 2019 • 4:22:03am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Imagination run wild.
Artist’s conception, or misconception, of a 21st century rigid airship. There is no hint at how they might keep the open pool deck warm at altitude in Arctic conditions. Maybe it’s nuclear powered. Note shrubbery.

[Embedded content]

it isn’t open air, though if the top is glass, I’ll bet those people burn like ants in lower climes.

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 31, 2019 • 4:26:11am

re: #73 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Oh, joy.

EDIT: Holy shit, the Treasury yield curve is NOT looking good.

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 4:37:05am

LOL this looks great.

Onward Official Teaser Trailer

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SteelPH  May 31, 2019 • 4:40:09am

re: #76 Sufficient unto the day…

Oh, joy.

EDIT: Holy shit, the Treasury yield curve is NOT looking good.

Crashing the economy to own the libs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 4:51:57am

re: #78 SteelPH

Crashing the economy to own the libs.

Nobody said that we weren’t going to have to suffer in order to MAGA.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 5:04:19am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 5:06:25am

re: #58 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 5:11:05am

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jeffreyw  May 31, 2019 • 5:22:16am

Good morning!

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2019 • 5:23:52am

re: #83 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

If it doesn’t like the food selection does that bird then go sit in a nearby tree and make fun of you?

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 5:39:47am

“I am completely and utterly perplexed by those who argue that perjury and
obstruction of justice are not high crimes and misdemeanors.” — Mitch McConnell, 2/12/99

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 5:40:06am

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jeffreyw  May 31, 2019 • 5:45:43am

re: #84 Feline Fearless Leader

If it doesn’t like the food selection does that bird then go sit in a nearby tree and make fun of you?

It tried that one day. I gave its seat at the table to the catbird.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2019 • 5:50:44am

moron still whinging

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2019 • 6:00:59am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron still whinging

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Plenty of evidence of obstruction and conspiracy but sure let Tucker and Sean tell you that you’re completely innocent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 6:01:08am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sean Davis, The Federalist: “Mueller proved his entire operation was a political hit job. Still ZERO evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion, and no new evidence from Mueller.”

Mueller: if we thought the President was innocent, we would have said so.

Mueller: we did not indict him because this is not DOJ policy

Read the damn report, you moron.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 31, 2019 • 6:03:36am

UFOs and the US Navy. Whatever it is, it’s not aliens. My guess is the shiny new CEC integrated radar and defense network is seeing its own shadows so to speak.

Carrier Group In Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech Just Like Nimitz In 2004 Incident

Recently, new details have emerged regarding a series of still unexplained encounters that U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet pilots had with unidentified flying objects while conducting training missions off the East Coast of the United States in 2014 and 2015. The War Zone has already explored this new report in detail and looked at how improved radars had played a major role in detecting these objects. But what wasn’t immediately apparent was just how ideal the situation could have been during at least some of these incidents for observing and recording the performance and signatures of potentially revolutionary flying machines under real-world conditions by the very best combined group of air defense assets on the planet.

The aircraft and ships present around the time these events occurred were equipped with the most advanced sensor fusion, networking, and computer processing capabilities available. In fact, collectively they represented the first time these capabilities were deployed across an operational Carrier Strike Group. This directly mirrors the peculiar conditions present during the famous “Tic Tac” incident involving the USS Nimitz, her air wing, and her escorts off the Baja Coast in 2004.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2019 • 6:03:59am

If the Dems do start any form of impeachment inquiry and start calling witnesses, they should do so during prime time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 6:07:42am

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

UFOs and the US Navy. Whatever it is, it’s not aliens. My guess is the shiny new CEC integrated radar and defense network is seeing its own shadows so to speak.

It is amazing how quickly our minds hear “UFO” and “aliens” as near synonyms.

A UFO is just that: a flying thing that we cannot identify.

I make no further assumptions about it without further evidence.

(But it was aliens)

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Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2019 • 6:11:34am

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

Arizona Man On Trial For Felonious Decency To Migrants (Wonkette with another aspect of the New Conservative Cruelty, same as the Old Conservative Cruelty with moar added MAGA):

(more)

Keep reading through the article and you can see just how cruel they are trying to be. Conservatives are trying to take our humanity, as they have done in other countries and other times before. That part is required if you want to really crank up a genocide.

And the religious wrong will back them, fucking hypocrites.

Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 6:12:21am

re: #87 jeffreyw

It tried that one day. I gave its seat at the table to the catbird.

Launching an undying adage.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 6:12:37am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 6:16:52am

re: #42 Dave In Austin

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Take these Pulpit Pimps off of welfare.

TAX THE CHURCHES!!!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 6:18:00am

re: #96 Belafon

For everyone saying “Congress needs to do its job,” yes, you’re correct. And I don’t say this as a reason to not move forward w impeachment. But roughly half the Congress is determined to keep the other half from doing that job.

Congress must act as a prosecutor to bring charges against someone.

Few prosecutors are going to bring charges unless they see a reasonable chance of success.

Right now there is little.

Nancy is waiting for that situation to change.

From newsmax of all places:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., says she believes President Donald Trump actually wants to be impeached so the Senate could clear him.

She made her comments on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” Thursday night.

“I think the president wants us to impeach him,” Pelosi said. “He knows it’s not a good idea to be impeached, but the silver lining for him is then, he believes, that he would be exonerated by the United States Senate.

“And there is a school of thought that says, ‘If the Senate acquits you, why bring charges against him in the private sector when he’s no longer president?’ So when we go through with our case, it’s got to be ironclad. Ironclad.”

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jeffreyw  May 31, 2019 • 6:21:28am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Launching an undying adage.

Harder to do than to say. Zombie aphorisms want to climb out of the breach.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 6:24:20am

What is the German term for a food fight in a Chinese restaurant?

-Chow Mein Kampf!

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:25:06am

re: #26 Dave In Austin

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This tweet unironically made the day before the GOP (again) stamped down hard on a bill to help millions of Americans dealing with the consequences of natural disasters…because they don’t want to be seen as voting for help to Puerto Ricans.

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Teukka  May 31, 2019 • 6:25:07am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Congress must act as a prosecutor to bring charges against someone.

Few prosecutors are going to bring charges unless they see a reasonable chance of success.

Right now there is little.

Nancy is waiting for that situation to change.

From newsmax of all places:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., says she believes President Donald Trump actually wants to be impeached so the Senate could clear him.

She made her comments on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” Thursday night.

“I think the president wants us to impeach him,” Pelosi said. “He knows it’s not a good idea to be impeached, but the silver lining for him is then, he believes, that he would be exonerated by the United States Senate.

“And there is a school of thought that says, ‘If the Senate acquits you, why bring charges against him in the private sector when he’s no longer president?’ So when we go through with our case, it’s got to be ironclad. Ironclad.”

What would — hypothetically — be ironclad?

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 6:25:56am

re: #96 Belafon

Another thing about impeachment hearings: the Republicans on the House committees will be more than happy to make them a shitshow for cameras, and then claim to willing media people that Democrats don’t have enough of a case to be serious. And that’s what a lot of people will see, because they will be working when the hearings are going on.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:26:23am

re: #102 Teukka

What would — hypothetically — be ironclad?

That’s the $64,000 question. If the whole argument against impeachment is that we have to have a case so airtight that the Senate Repubs will have no choice but to vote to impeach, just what is it we need to reach that point?

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 6:26:31am

re: #102 Teukka

What would — hypothetically — be ironclad?

Ask Senator McConnell.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 6:27:51am
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makeitstop  May 31, 2019 • 6:32:45am

re: #102 Teukka

What would — hypothetically — be ironclad?

Irrefutable proof of wrongdoing. Like they would probably find in his financials.

Gotta be absolutely spin-proof, even though the cult will try to spin anything they come up with.

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sagehen  May 31, 2019 • 6:37:19am

re: #102 Teukka

What would — hypothetically — be ironclad?

In Nixon’s case… it was audiotapes.

Every damaging thing on the tapes had already been testified to, under oath, but until the tapes were released it was still possible for those who wanted to believe the President to tell themselves that John Dean and all the rest of them could have been lying, even documentary evidence (photocopies of cancelled checks, etc) people who really wanted to believe the President could tell themselves that Nixon’s staff had taken it upon themselves to commit these offenses on their own initiative and when caught tried to claim the boss had ordered them to…

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:38:22am

re: #107 makeitstop

Irrefutable proof of wrongdoing. Like they would probably find in his financials.

Gotta be absolutely spin-proof, even though the cult will try to spin anything they come up with.

Trump, the WH staff, Congressional Repubs, and virtually the entire wingnut media have spent the past two years saying that when Mueller failed to find proof of “collusion,” Dems would turn to whatever they could dig up to impeach the man. That has only been amplified in the past two months in the wake of his “exoneration” in the Mueller Report.

Are we holding out the hope that in his financials will be checks/money orders from Putin labeled “Bribes For Election-Stealing”?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 6:38:24am

re: #107 makeitstop

Irrefutable proof of wrongdoing. Like they would probably find in his financials.

Gotta be absolutely spin-proof, even though the cult will try to spin anything they come up with.

You cannot reach them. The MAGATs in my family are totally brainwashed by the Republican Bullshit Machine and they still believe that Barr will indict Hillary and Bill.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 6:41:39am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“And there is a school of thought that says, ‘If the Senate acquits you, why bring charges against him in the private sector when he’s no longer president?’ So when we go through with our case, it’s got to be ironclad. Ironclad.”

That is another angle, for sure: Do we want him prosecuted afterwards?

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makeitstop  May 31, 2019 • 6:42:39am

re: #109 Targetpractice

Trump, the WH staff, Congressional Repubs, and virtually the entire wingnut media have spent the past two years saying that when Mueller failed to find proof of “collusion,” Dems would turn to whatever they could dig up to impeach the man. That has only been amplified in the past two months in the wake of his “exoneration” in the Mueller Report.

Are we holding out the hope that in his financials will be checks/money orders from Putin labeled “Bribes For Election-Stealing”?

I realize you’re the resident cynic here, but come on.

Deutschebank has already had to pay out literally billions in fines for illegal activities. And they’re the only bank on the planet who would still do business with Trump after he screwed every other major bank in NYC. And let’s not mention that a former SCOTUS justice’s son was the guy who arranged the loans.

Tie Trump to that. Wouldn’t be hard.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:43:21am

re: #111 Belafon

That is another angle, for sure: Do we want him prosecuted afterwards?

To do…what? Show ourselves to be massive hypocrites by attacking him for wanting to prosecute Hillary, only to push for his prosecution after he’s left office because we were afraid of the political consequences?

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 6:44:02am

re: #104 Targetpractice

That’s the $64,000 question. If the whole argument against impeachment is that we have to have a case so airtight that the Senate Repubs will have no choice but to vote to impeach, just what is it we need to reach that point?

What needs to be ironclad is this: That a reasonable person - and I mean someone who watches the evening news - would convict Trump if they were in the Senate. It’s not that we have to beat McConnell, it’s that we have to convince most people that impeachment and conviction should occur.

And remember, most people think impeachment is the whole process.

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makeitstop  May 31, 2019 • 6:44:12am

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

You cannot reach them. The MAGATs in my family are totally brainwashed by the Republican Bullshit Machine and they still believe that Barr will indict Hillary and Bill.

And for the thousandth time: they are not the ones we need to convince. They’re gone, never coming back. Fuck ‘em.

The ones who are not paying attention right now are the ones to aim for. And there are millions of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 6:44:35am

President Pruneface drew the line at ketchup…

The Trump administration wants to count canned spray cheese, beef jerky, nacho cheese dip and frozen burritos as staples under a proposal that could allow more retail stores to accept food stamps.

washingtonpost.com

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:46:39am

re: #112 makeitstop

I realize you’re the resident cynic here, but come on.

Deutschebank has already had to pay out literally billions in fines for illegal activities. And they’re the only bank on the planet who would still do business with Trump after he screwed every other major bank in NYC. And let’s not mention that a former SCOTUS justice’s son was the guy who arranged the loans.

Tie Trump to that. Wouldn’t be hard.

So we move the bar from “Bad shit that undermines our very democracy” to “He’s a dirty businessman!” I’m sure that will make the last two years look like less of a wild goose chase.

//

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Teukka  May 31, 2019 • 6:47:19am

re: #107 makeitstop

Irrefutable proof of wrongdoing. Like they would probably find in his financials.

Gotta be absolutely spin-proof, even though the cult will try to spin anything they come up with.

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

You cannot reach them. The MAGATs in my family are totally brainwashed by the Republican Bullshit Machine and they still believe that Barr will indict Hillary and Bill.

Yeah. It would have to be something undeniable, among the lines of something which Trump and/or the GOP said would not happen, could not happen. And even then there would be those that claim “Hi wuss frammed!”.

re: #111 Belafon

That is another angle, for sure: Do we want him prosecuted afterwards?

Depends, if the investigative process or the initial point of the downfall makes him a lame duck…

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 6:48:01am

re: #117 Targetpractice

So we move the bar from “Bad shit that undermines our very democracy” to “He’s a dirty businessman!” I’m sure that will make the last two years look like less of a wild goose chase.

//

One way to undermine Trump is to show that he’s both a bad businessman and not really wealthy.

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 6:48:05am

re: #107 makeitstop

Irrefutable proof of wrongdoing. Like they would probably find in his financials.

Gotta be absolutely spin-proof, even though the cult will try to spin anything they come up with.

The R’s might still vote against it
It would be blatant partisan and craven

And everyone but everyone would know the truth of it

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:48:40am

re: #114 Belafon

What needs to be ironclad is this: That a reasonable person - and I mean someone who watches the evening news - would convict Trump if they were in the Senate. It’s not that we have to beat McConnell, it’s that we have to convince most people that impeachment and conviction should occur.

And remember, most people think impeachment is the whole process.

So then why all this worry about whether or not the Senate will vote to remove him? If we’re aimed at the American voter, whatever shit goes on in the Senate should not be our concern. We should be holding hearings now, not dragging it out in the hopes that we stumble across another 18 minutes of missing tape.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:49:37am

re: #119 Belafon

One way to undermine Trump is to show that he’s both a bad businessman and not really wealthy.

Again, are we wanting to impeach him for being an illegitimate president…or a guy who’s shit with money?

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 6:49:59am

re: #111 Belafon

That is another angle, for sure: Do we want him prosecuted afterwards?

It will be for other things not covered in the impeachment

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 6:50:22am

re: #102 Teukka

What would — hypothetically — be ironclad?

that is the problem. Ironclad bounces right off the boneheads

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 6:51:17am

re: #114 Belafon

What needs to be ironclad is this: That a reasonable person - and I mean someone who watches the evening news - would convict Trump if they were in the Senate. It’s not that we have to beat McConnell, it’s that we have to convince most people that impeachment and conviction should occur.

And remember, most people think impeachment is the whole process.

This!

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Teukka  May 31, 2019 • 6:52:07am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is the problem. Ironclad bounces right off the boneheads

Well, cast iron of enough mass and hardness will crack a head… Semi-///

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makeitstop  May 31, 2019 • 6:52:17am

re: #117 Targetpractice

So we move the bar from “Bad shit that undermines our very democracy” to “He’s a dirty businessman!” I’m sure that will make the last two years look like less of a wild goose chase.

//

A dirty businessman who took money traced to the Russian mob, in a loan arranged by the son of a SCOTUS justice who is now part of the administration?

You’re right. That wouldn’t move the needle at all.

//////

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 6:53:33am

re: #127 makeitstop

A dirty businessman who took money traced to the Russian mob, in a loan arranged by the son of a SCOTUS justice who is now part of the administration?

You’re right. That wouldn’t move the needle at all.

//////

It wouldn’t because the Republican Bullshit Machine would be cranked up to 11 about Clinton Cash, Solyndra, Benghazi, Hillary’s e-mails…

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 6:53:49am

re: #115 makeitstop

And for the thousandth time: they are not the ones we need to convince. They’re gone, never coming back. Fuck ‘em.

The ones who are not paying attention right now are the ones to aim for. And there are millions of them.

You are proposing that it’s harder to re-train a cat than it is to educate a sea cucumber.

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 6:55:14am

re: #117 Targetpractice

So we move the bar from “Bad shit that undermines our very democracy” to “He’s a dirty businessman!” I’m sure that will make the last two years look like less of a wild goose chase.

//

Bad shit… is the impeachment

Dirty businessman is for after..he doesn’t get a pass because he was president or because proof came out while he was president

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 6:56:29am

George Will still pines for the days of Ayn Rand.

And it’s nice to see that the Washington Post blocks me from commenting on his latest paean to selfishness…

washingtonpost.com

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makeitstop  May 31, 2019 • 6:57:05am

re: #128 Joe Bacon 🌹

It wouldn’t because the Republican Bullshit Machine would be cranked up to 11 about Clinton Cash, Solyndra, Benghazi, Hillary’s e-mails…

Great, let’s all just give the fuck up, then.

I’ll be back later, maybe tomorrow. Carry on.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 6:57:35am

re: #127 makeitstop

A dirty businessman who took money traced to the Russian mob, in a loan arranged by the son of a SCOTUS justice who is now part of the administration?

You’re right. That wouldn’t move the needle at all.

//////

We already know he’s a corrupt bastard, that’s nothing new and I’d bet if you polled the public most already agree with that. So while it might sway the election, it doesn’t get us closer to proving he had anything to do with the election chicanery.

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 6:59:49am

re: #132 makeitstop

Great, let’s all just give the fuck up, then.

I’ll be back later, maybe tomorrow. Carry on.

It’s not about giving up, it’s about the actual goal. Do we need revenge on these obnoxious assholes more than we need to give our children a workable democracy? I’d like both, but I know my choice.

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 7:05:05am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 7:05:40am

re: #131 Joe Bacon 🌹

George Will still pines for the days of Ayn Rand.

And it’s nice to see that the Washington Post blocks me from commenting on his latest paean to selfishness…

washingtonpost.com

“Government should not impede or discourage parents in their conscientious accumulation, husbanding and investment of those assets for their children’s education, broadly construed.”

In the ideal world of a dad who works 40 hours a week and a stay-at-home mom, that is just fine.

But nowadays, both parents have to work, sometimes even multiple jobs, just to be able to make ends meet.

Where are they supposed to accumulate, husband and invest those assets? Or find time to help their children with their social and academic education?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2019 • 7:06:10am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Imagination run wild.
Artist’s conception, or misconception, of a 21st century rigid airship. There is no hint at how they might keep the open pool deck warm at altitude in Arctic conditions. Maybe it’s nuclear powered. Note shrubbery.

[Embedded content]

That looks like the “Buy ‘N’ Large” spaceship from Wall-E.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 7:06:32am

I was expecting to see something this stupid…

He ain’t no Captain Kirk. He’s Captain Jerk…
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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 7:06:46am

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 7:08:16am

re: #138 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is that NOT satire?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 7:08:23am

re: #139 DangerMan

With hunt! Waste of millions!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 7:11:02am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Is that NOT satire?

Captain Jerk of the USS Free Enterprise…

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 7:11:07am

My best argument against hoping our salvation lies in his financials: There’s too little payout. Yes, we will likely find evidence that he’s a crook and a liar, that he’s nowhere near as wealthy as he claims and that he’s in debt up to his eyeballs. That most everything he “owns” really belongs to his creditors and if anybody ever noted the Emperor’s lack of apparel the whole charade would come crashing down.

The big issue is…that’s a known quantity. Outside of his delusional base, I doubt you’d find many voters who don’t agree that he’s a lying bastard who is fibbing on his tax returns. So swaying the public that his dirty business dealings with everybody from banks to mob bosses is reason enough to remove him from office through impeachment is a hard sell…at best. And it’s very likely to run into the most effective defense we’ll see: “Why is this Congress’ purview? Why not leave this to somebody else?”

Trump being a tax cheat or a corrupt businessman isn’t going to sway the public that impeachment is the right move. It might sway they to vote him out, but that will still leave the reality that he accepted foreign aid to win an election and they did everything in his power to obstruct investigators looking into such. He will be gone, but the stench will remain with us for generations to come.

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 7:12:26am

re: #142 Joe Bacon 🌹

Captain Jerk of the USS Free Enterprise…

Can’t tell if that caption text was added later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 7:13:59am

re: #143 Targetpractice

My best argument against hoping our salvation lies in his financials: There’s too little payout. Yes, we will likely find evidence that he’s a crook and a liar, that he’s nowhere near as wealthy as he claims and that he’s in debt up to his eyeballs. That most everything he “owns” really belongs to his creditors and if anybody ever noted the Emperor’s lack of apparel the whole charade would come crashing down.

And when his delusional base sees that he is a braggart living on borrowed money, I think a lot of them will lose their delusions.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 7:14:15am

re: #121 Targetpractice

So then why all this worry about whether or not the Senate will vote to remove him? If we’re aimed at the American voter, whatever shit goes on in the Senate should not be our concern. We should be holding hearings now, not dragging it out in the hopes that we stumble across another 18 minutes of missing tape.

I’m not worried about whether the Senate will remove him. I’m worried that what the average viewer will see, without evidence like him actually receiving money from other countries, that it will play in most people’s heads as “he said/she said.” And that’s what the House Republicans will be trying to make the hearings into. I blame Bill Clinton a bit on this, because he set a bar on obstruction of justice that a lot of people are going to compare against. Those are things we have to get the average person past.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 31, 2019 • 7:16:11am

In a few months some will argue that we can’t impeach during election season. It’s never the perfect time, you will never have perfect evidence. Never.

Impeach now, if only to protect the next election.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 7:16:21am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And when his delusional base sees that he is a braggart living on borrowed money, I think a lot of them will lose their delusions.

That he’s a successful businessman? Sure, probably.

That he’s the guy they want in the White House? Not a chance in Hell.

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 7:19:34am

The threshold is that the public revulsion has to be so deep and so wide that the Republican Senate realizes they must act to save themselves. That only happens if the economy tanks.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 7:20:48am

re: #146 Belafon

I’m not worried about whether the Senate will remove him. I’m worried that what the average viewer will see, without evidence like him actually receiving money from other countries, that it will play in most people’s heads as “he said/she said.” And that’s what the House Republicans will be trying to make the hearings into. I blame Bill Clinton a bit on this, because he set a bar on obstruction of justice that a lot of people are going to compare against. Those are things we have to get the average person past.

They’ve already decided on a way to spin any foreign money in his pockets: “He’s a businessman, he didn’t stop doing deals while he ran.” Hell, Cohen testified and presented evidence to show that Trump lied about continuing forward with Trump Tower Moscow negotiations after insisting he’d put a halt to them…and it was a momentary blip on the radar. I doubt most of the public even remember what Michael Cohen was doing in front of Congress months ago.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 7:21:43am

re: #147 I Would Prefer Not To

In a few months some will argue that we can’t impeach during election season. It’s never the perfect time, you will never have perfect evidence. Never.

Impeach now, if only to protect the next election.

That’s why I think September is a good time to really start things.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 31, 2019 • 7:22:33am

Also, Impeachment is the right thing to do. the man does not deserve the office and is going to keep on abusing it. This is our hill.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 7:22:51am

Who thinks the GOP would have told Nixon to resign had the tapes not surfaced? And who thinks the Democrats would have had a chance at impeachment and conviction had those not surfaced?

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 31, 2019 • 7:23:53am

re: #151 Belafon

That’s why I think September is a good time to really start things.

It’s always September.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 31, 2019 • 7:24:50am

re: #151 Belafon

That’s why I think September is a good time to really start things.

Maybe. But no latter. From my point of view we have nothing to lose. If we don’t have fair elections we lose everything.

back to work people.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 7:25:05am

re: #154 Sufficient unto the day…

It’s always September.

My kids just got out of school for three months. It’s not September.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 7:25:33am

re: #153 Belafon

Who thinks the GOP would have told Nixon to resign had the tapes not surfaced? And who thinks the Democrats would have had a chance at impeachment and conviction had those not surfaced?

If that’s the bar we’re reaching for, dirty money on the ledger is not going to cut it for going after Trump. You’re going to need irrefutable evidence that money paid to him by anybody with a Russian-sounding name was for the purposes of influencing him or his campaign. You’d be better off hoping that a cellphone transcript or an email falls from the sky than hoping that some Russian oligarch made out a check to “Fraud.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 7:28:28am

re: #157 Targetpractice

If that’s the bar we’re reaching for, dirty money on the ledger is not going to cut it for going after Trump. You’re going to need irrefutable evidence that money paid to him by anybody with a Russian-sounding name was for the purposes of influencing him or his campaign. You’d be better off hoping that a cellphone transcript or an email falls from the sky than hoping that some Russian oligarch made out a check to “Fraud.”

And also evidence that he is financially or otherwise beholden (read: pee tapes) to foreign interests and that these people materially influenced decisions he made as President.

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 7:30:30am

re: #152 I Would Prefer Not To

Also, Impeachment is the right thing to do. the man does not deserve the office and is going to keep on abusing it. This is our hill.

Not looking for a hill—looking for a jungle to continue the fight.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 31, 2019 • 7:33:02am

re: #157 Targetpractice

If that’s the bar we’re reaching for, dirty money on the ledger is not going to cut it for going after Trump. You’re going to need irrefutable evidence that money paid to him by anybody with a Russian-sounding name was for the purposes of influencing him or his campaign. You’d be better off hoping that a cellphone transcript or an email falls from the sky than hoping that some Russian oligarch made out a check to “Fraud.”

I’m not ready to go back to work yet. At this point I don’t give a fuck what the public thinks, especially trump’s idiotic followers. If you have evidence of crimes you must present them. Some will be persuaded and some not.

In other cases we do not wait to do an opinion pole to determine if we go to trail we go with the evidence. Seems like a lot of unearned privilege to let trump off the hook, because 30% of the population joined his cult.

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William Lewis  May 31, 2019 • 7:34:53am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Not looking for a hill—looking for a jungle to continue the fight.

I prefer to think of the forests of North America. Just as good as a jungle in that respect … ;)

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 7:36:55am

The reason the Nixon Tapes were significant in Watergate was because they proved that everything that the White House had been telling the public up to that point was a total lie. That Nixon had known about the break-in, had known about the involvement of his underlings, and had known about money being paid to hush up the bag-men. Weeks of insistence that it had been a “third-rate burglary” collapsed into the reality that the White House had been the epicenter of a clandestine effort to influence the election through wire-tapping and theft of confidential material.

So if that is our bar to reach, then we need something far more damning that Russian money popping up in Donny’s bank accounts. We need to show something from him or to him directly (as opposed to through an intermediary) that he knowingly took that money as payment for matters related to his campaign or his (at the time) potential presidency. Now, you might find evidence of such in his raw financial paperwork, but it’s going to be like proving a murder with nothing but circumstantial evidence, you’re going to have to make a case so compelling that voters can’t reach any conclusion other than the money was meant as payment for services rendered. Otherwise we’re back to “Yeah, he’s a lying bastard, but so what?”

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Decatur Deb  May 31, 2019 • 7:37:45am

re: #160 I Would Prefer Not To

Unearned privilege is the history of civilization since the second pharaoh. Get the thugs out, then worry about justice for them. None of them are ever going to miss a meal.

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A Cranky One  May 31, 2019 • 7:38:28am

As a narcissist, Don Dummy can’t tolerate being blamed for anything bad. He must blame someone else rather than accept responsibility.

As Congress investigates, the stream of news about his criminal activities and immorality will cause narcistic injury, likely resulting in him lashing out in unpredictable ways. And that scares me.

Having said that, his reactions may be so unhinged that people start to realize he’s mentally unfit for the office (the people who aren’t paying attention). We can only hope.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 7:39:13am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Government should not impede or discourage parents in their conscientious accumulation, husbanding and investment of those assets for their children’s education, broadly construed.”

In the ideal world of a dad who works 40 hours a week and a stay-at-home mom, that is just fine.

But nowadays, both parents have to work, sometimes even multiple jobs, just to be able to make ends meet.

Where are they supposed to accumulate, husband and invest those assets? Or find time to help their children with their social and academic education?

I do hope that your question was a rhetorical one. Will doesn’t mean the hoi polloi, he means rich, white land-owners. Those are the only ones that matter in his pseudo-intellectual masturbation fests. Someone in the comments wrote ‘he phoned this one in from 1981’; well said sir, well said.

That was a whole lot ‘o words that means, “I got mine, fuck you”; the chant of a libertarian idiot.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2019 • 7:41:36am

Who’s sittin’ in the catbird seat now I ask?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 7:41:56am

re: #165 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I do hope that your question was a rhetorical one. Will doesn’t mean the hoi polloi, he means rich, white land-owners. Those are the only ones that matter in his pseudo-intellectual masturbation fests. Someone in the comments wrote ‘he phoned this one in from 1981’; well said sir, well said.

That was a whole lot ‘o words that means, “I got mine, fuck you”; the chant of a libertarian idiot.

Of course it was rhetorical. My dad worked in a steel mill, owned a house and could send all his kids to state universities. Mom never worked outside the house.

Those days are long gone, and were already fading by 1981 when I graduated.

And yes, George Will writes from a world in which we are all autonomous gentlemen yeomen farmers living on the 40 acres we carved out of the wilderness through the sweat of our brows and do not need a government to interfere in free choices about the contracts and agreements we enter into.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 7:42:45am

re: #160 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m not ready to go back to work yet. At this point I don’t give a fuck what the public thinks, especially trump’s idiotic followers. If you have evidence of crimes you must present them. Some will be persuaded and some not.

In other cases we do not wait to do an opinion pole to determine if we go to trail we go with the evidence. Seems like a lot of unearned privilege to let trump off the hook, because 30% of the population joined his cult.

Except we have that poll. It occurs on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November, 2020.

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DangerMan  May 31, 2019 • 7:51:08am

ot:

Why a heartbeat?
obviously cause it’s emotional and it’s visceral. and no other reason.

It’s not cosmically or naturally indicative of anything

It’s just as arbitrary as “I see a nose” or “are there 6 cells yet ” or any other man made up arbitrary line in the sand

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 7:52:31am

re: #169 DangerMan

ot:

Why a heartbeat?
obviously cause it’s emotional and it’s visceral. and no other reason.

It’s not cosmically or naturally indicative of anything

It’s just as arbitrary as “I see a nose” or “are there 6 cells yet ” or any other man made up arbitrary line in the sand

I wanted to send people pictures of things that look like they have faces and ask people if we should declare those human.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2019 • 7:56:47am

Musings on impeachment:

1. The Clinton investigation started with the investigation into Whitewater, a failed business dealing that had NOTHING to do with foreign entities and that ended years before the election. This investigation was initiated well after the 1970’s DOJ ruling that barred indictment of the President for illegal activity. It would seem that proof of illegal financial activity by Trump prior to the Presidency should be fair game. I know — I know — IOKIYAR.

2. Many of those who are members of the Trump cult worship him because they think he is a self-made billionaire who is a brilliant deal-maker. It is possible that if they discover that his supposed wealth is fictional, they may start abandoning him.

3. Republicans will come on board only if the Democrats can find and publish the hold that Putin has over all of them — and that’s never going to happen because no one is going to release that information to Democrats.

4. [tin foil-maybe] The Barr investigation was launched solely to discover the Kremlin resource who provided information to the FBI/CIA and to release that name to Putin [/tin foil-maybe]

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sagehen  May 31, 2019 • 7:56:58am

re: #169 DangerMan

ot:

Why a heartbeat?
obviously cause it’s emotional and it’s visceral. and no other reason.

It’s not cosmically or naturally indicative of anything

It’s just as arbitrary as “I see a nose” or “are there 6 cells yet ” or any other man made up arbitrary line in the sand

So I guess they’re opposed to heart transplants then? After all, those donors have perfectly healthy useful beating hearts, are we murdering them to give those hearts to somebody else?

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 8:01:56am

re: #168 Belafon

Except we have that poll. It occurs on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November, 2020.

We’ve heard the regular refrain that “Pelosi has a plan,” and I personally believe her plan is to keep teasing impeachment “on the table” when the reality is she doesn’t expect to ever have a vote on it and to bet all the chips on beating Trump next November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 8:07:47am

re: #173 Targetpractice

We’ve heard the regular refrain that “Pelosi has a plan,” and I personally believe her plan is to keep teasing impeachment “on the table” when the reality is she doesn’t expect to ever have a vote on it and to bet all the chips on beating Trump next November.

whatever it takes.

at this stage, impeachment could only help trump

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 31, 2019 • 8:14:43am

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 8:14:45am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whatever it takes.

at this stage, impeachment could only help trump

Then the party leadership needs to make that clear, that impeachment is an option rather than the goal. That we’re focused on the elections next year and might impeach if something damning comes up. That would be more honest than the constant use of impeachment as an empty threat.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 8:15:28am

re: #175 GlutenFreeJesus

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 8:17:21am

re: #176 Targetpractice

Then the party leadership needs to make that clear, that impeachment is an option rather than the goal. That we’re focused on the elections next year and might impeach if something damning comes up. That would be more honest than the constant use of impeachment as an empty threat.

And if things surface that make impeachment into something that can really hurt Trump or even lead enough GOP Senators to break ranks and vote to convict, then go for it, Nancy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 8:19:39am

re: #169 DangerMan

ot:

Why a heartbeat?

I got a feeling this clicked with Frank Luntz’s focus groups!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 8:24:38am

re: #169 DangerMan

ot:
Why a heartbeat?
obviously cause it’s emotional and it’s visceral. and no other reason.

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

I got a feeling this clicked with Frank Luntz’s focus groups!

It’s a visceral reaction. Heart beat is the proof of life of a vertebrate. Feelings “come from the heart”, if someone has a “good heart” they are a good person (not a healthy one), etc.

Us hairless tree-apes respond well to the mythos we have built up of how and why a heart is life. We are a superstitious and ignorant lot, too.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 8:31:59am
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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 8:32:54am

re: #175 GlutenFreeJesus

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Good kitteh!

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2019 • 8:33:16am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller: if we thought the President was innocent, we would have said so.

Mueller: we did not indict him because this is not DOJ policy

Read the damn report, you moron.

Are you applying the term “moron” to Sean Davis? He is not a moron — he knows what the report says — but his goal is to deceive those who follow the Federalist. The old adage “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity” is inappropriate when directed against the bad actors who comprise the conservative leadership. They are aware of the truth and don’t care.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 8:33:52am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whatever it takes.

at this stage, impeachment could only help trump

That has no actual basis in reality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 8:35:02am

re: #184 Scottish Dragon

That has no actual basis in reality.

that is nancy’s considered opinion and I am trusting that, even over sarah kendzior…

but I am sure that she has impeachment in mind and is just waiting for the right time to launch proceedings

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 8:37:55am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is nancy’s considered opinion and I am trusting that, even over sarah kendzior…

but I am sure that she has impeachment in mind and is just waiting for the right time to launch proceedings

I trust the historians and former federal prosecutors and special agents who do not share that view.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 8:38:33am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is nancy’s considered opinion and I am trusting that, even over sarah kendzior…

but I am sure that she has impeachment in mind and is just waiting for the right time to launch proceedings

She also believes the Green New Deal a boondoggle that would hurt the party to pursue, let alone take a vote on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 8:41:32am

re: #187 Targetpractice

She also believes the Green New Deal a boondoggle that would hurt the party to pursue, let alone take a vote on.

its time will come, it is a dead letter right now because the GOP senate is against anything with the term Green in it or anything that might make AOC look good

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2019 • 8:42:48am

re: #181 Scottish Dragon

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My guess is that an overwhelming majority of Americans would fail a basic college logic course especially when propositions are couched using negative terms. Mueller is trying to avoid making a declarative statement because that is who he is. In any case, the Trump administration, the Russian bots, Republicans in Washington (except Amash) and the RW media juggernaut are demonizing Mueller and his team and the Trump cult and the ignorant independents have fallen for it.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 8:48:40am

Kevin Kruse, Mimi Rocah, Jill Wine Banks (who was a prosecutor involved with the Nixon hearings), Barbara McQuad, Elizabeth De La Vega, Susan Hennesey, Asha Rangappa and rather a lot of other people who are experts in one way or another in this all agree that impeachment needs to happen now. There is no reason to believe that it helps Trump or will affect turnout in his favor. The people who will vote for him are not going to change one way or another. In fact, it is useless to even speculate how it would pan out for elections a year and a half from now.

What we do know is that he is credibly accused of multiple felonies, and refusing to hold impeachment hearings will make it nigh impossible to hold any other POTUS to account for similar behavior. The precedent will be a disaster. Moreover, the institutional damage to Congress as a co equal branch will last if it cannot enforce document collection and subpoenas.

This is too damned important for crass political calculation. Impeachment is needed. If the GOP in the Senate want to be seen as craven lickspittles, that is on them. However, the House has the duty and the constitutional mandate to stand up to a lawless POTUS and enforce the boundary of its’ power as a co equal branch.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 8:48:49am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

its time will come, it is a dead letter right now because the GOP senate is against anything with the term Green in it or anything that might make AOC look good

The counter-point to that is she’s sent numerous bills to the Senate since January that are gathering dust because Mitch won’t allow them to come to a vote. There are other bills that are getting all sorts of fanfare from the leadership, with the intent to vote upon them and send them to the Senate.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 8:53:25am

re: #191 Targetpractice

The counter-point to that is she’s sent numerous bills to the Senate since January that are gathering dust because Mitch won’t allow them to come to a vote. There are other bills that are getting all sorts of fanfare from the leadership, with the intent to vote upon them and send them to the Senate.

Is there a Green New Deal bill?

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 8:56:04am

re: #191 Targetpractice

The counter-point to that is she’s sent numerous bills to the Senate since January that are gathering dust because Mitch won’t allow them to come to a vote. There are other bills that are getting all sorts of fanfare from the leadership, with the intent to vote upon them and send them to the Senate.

That is why I do not understand the insistence that it is better to be seen as working on “bread and butter” bills. None of those bills are going anywhere. The only thing McConnell is doing is rushing through judicial appointments.

Basically, Speaker Pelosi is going to go up to the next elections with a slate of nothing because dems are afraid of being seen as concentrating on Trump and people like me who worked to get the blue wave going did so specifically to see them concentrate on Trump! I didn’t work to send them there to pass bills that are never, ever going to see the light of day in the f*cking Senate!

Start hearings, enforce the damned subpoenas and start educating the American people on the damned report! I am buying my copy tomorrow, but 97% of the American people will never read it and have no real idea what it even says. The Nixon hearings should be the road map to starting this rolling.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 8:56:32am

re: #192 Belafon

Is there a Green New Deal bill?

House Res. 109.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 8:59:24am

An interesting fact: Starting in 2016, more tv and movie production is being done in Georgia than California: dailykos.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 8:59:48am

If you’re wondering which Red State would manage to kill legal abortions first it appears the answer is….Missouri.

Unless a court intervenes before midnight tonight, the Planned Parenthood Clinic in St. Louis will lose its license and be forced to shut down, leaving the state with absolutely ZERO providers left.

The state has been dicking PP around for awhile, coming up with all sorts of bullshit requirements and excuses as to why they don’t qualify for a license renewal.

Clinics in neighboring states are preparing for the possible influx of new patients.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2019 • 9:00:05am

re: #192 Belafon

Is there a Green New Deal bill?

An actual bill would be far more complicated than the outline from AOC. There is no way that such a detailed proposal could be completed by now. It cannot be simply a set of aspirational goals; it has to include significant details on achieving those objectives. Of course, anything of merit dies in McConnell’s Senate.

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A Cranky One  May 31, 2019 • 9:03:07am

re: #186 Scottish Dragon

I trust the historians and former federal prosecutors and special agents who do not share that view.

I suspect that Nancy’s strategy is to cause repeated narcissistic injury to Don Dummy with investigations, until he loses it in a way that his supporters can’t ignore. That defuses the claim that impeachment is purely partisan. We already see his responses becoming more unhinged as evidence of his criminality is brought to light. When information about his finances is finally made public, I suspect the craziness will escalate bigly.

Nancy hinted at this as a strategy with her “Trump is self impeaching” comment. Peel away his support using his own comments and reactions.

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Teukka  May 31, 2019 • 9:03:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 9:03:55am

re: #199 Teukka

Trump: “Whoa, whoa whoa. How can I do THAT?!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 9:05:20am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump: “Whoa, whoa whoa. How can I do THAT?!”

Just start taking names…

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 9:07:13am

re: #194 Targetpractice

House Res. 109.

So, maybe they can pass a law requiring that they pass a law.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 9:07:40am

re: #198 A Cranky One

I think she is trying to avoid it and will keep trying to avoid it because politics.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 9:08:00am

re: #190 Scottish Dragon

This post should have a billion updings, already.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 9:08:29am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump: “Whoa, whoa whoa. How can I do THAT?!”

“You already have that. What do you think Rasmussen is?”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2019 • 9:10:32am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just start taking names…

And imprison or execute anyone who doesn’t praise you. Fox can easily design a poll that’s guaranteed to return a 70% approval — only call people who are registered Republicans.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 9:10:41am

re: #195 Belafon

An interesting fact: Starting in 2016, more tv and movie production is being done in Georgia than California: dailykos.com

Not if 5he abortion bill goes through. Maybe. Studios (two I’ve heard of: NetFlix and Disney) are threatening to go elsewhere if it goes live.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 9:11:56am

re: #207 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Not if 5he abortion bill goes through. Maybe. Studios (two I’ve heard of: NetFlix and Disney) are threatening to go elsewhere if it goes live.

That’s actually what the link is about, talking about all of the groups that either are, or are threatening to pull out over the abortion bill.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 9:13:51am

re: #207 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Not if 5he abortion bill goes through. Maybe. Studios (two I’ve heard of: NetFlix and Disney) are threatening to go elsewhere if it goes live.

Wingnuts are already threatening retaliation. I’m sure that is going to go well. The studio that owns Star Wars and Marvel Studios is not going to worry about some twitter dead enders.

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A Cranky One  May 31, 2019 • 9:22:48am

re: #203 Scottish Dragon

I think she is trying to avoid it and will keep trying to avoid it because politics.

I disagree that she won’t do it. My sense is she’s setting the stage. We need to get more information out to the folks who aren’t paying attention first.

Then impeach the traitorous asshole.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 9:32:43am

How about that booming stock market, folks????

OOPS…

⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 9:34:47am

re: #209 Scottish Dragon

Wingnuts are already threatening retaliation. I’m sure that is going to go well. The studio that owns Star Wars and Marvel Studios is not going to worry about some twitter dead enders.

I saw someone yesterday suggesting that Christian movie studios would pick up the slack. Are there many Christian studios as well funded as Disney?

//

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 9:35:23am

re: #211 Joe Bacon 🌹

Has any President managed to singlehandedly crash the DOW as much as Trump?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 9:35:31am

re: #209 Scottish Dragon

Wingnuts are already threatening retaliation. I’m sure that is going to go well. The studio that owns Star Wars and Marvel Studios is not going to worry about some twitter dead enders.

Which retaliation would that one be? Where they have a Netflix subscription, but refuse to watch Netflix studio shows; or the one where they smash their TVs/phones/tablets that ha e the app installed? Is it the one where they burn all their DVDs that contain a Disney/Pixar/Star Wars studio film?

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 9:36:16am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

I saw someone yesterday suggesting that Christian movie studios would pick up the slack. Are there many Christian studios as well funded as Disney?

//

I bet the budget for Endgame was bigger than all of the Christian movie studios combined.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 9:36:34am

re: #211 Joe Bacon 🌹

How about that booming stock market, folks????

OOPS…

⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

You mean the one where my E*TRADE screen is all red/has been red for the last week?

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 9:37:41am

re: #211 Joe Bacon 🌹

How about that booming stock market, folks????

OOPS…

⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

I bet ($0) Mr. w last night that today it would go below 25,000. I won by 9 AM local. (I didn’t say ‘would close at…’ so it’s a done deal.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 9:38:01am

re: #216 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Red hats, Red states, Red ties, Red ink.

It all goes together.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 9:38:37am

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

Red hats, Red states, Red ties, Red ink.

It all goes together.

Red Dawns

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 31, 2019 • 9:38:39am

Nancy is not fool enough to have a “plan.” At this time, sentiment is building toward impeachment (58% think he committed some crime), but it’s not there yet, and they. need. to. build. the. case. So she’s doing what she can as conditions warrant to keep it simmering.

(If you didn’t involve yourself so that the House could pass bills that won’t be considered, what are you going to do in 2020? Vote Republican? Sit out the election?)

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 9:40:05am

re: #214 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Which retaliation would that one be? Where they have a Netflix subscription, but refuse to watch Netflix studio shows; or the one where they smash their TVs/phones/tablets that ha e the app installed? Is it the one where they burn all their DVDs that contain a Disney/Pixar/Star Wars studio film?

It’s the retaliation where the wingnuts all rush out and spend hundreds of dollars to buy every single Disney/Pixar/Star Wars BluRay DVD they can find, burn them, and then post that on YouTube or whatever to TOTALLY OWN THE LIBS!!

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 9:40:17am

re: #211 Joe Bacon 🌹

How about that booming stock market, folks????

OOPS…

⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

So now he’ll be able to say he was the only president* who had the DOW reach 25K four times in his presidency.

Of course, what this means is that he’ll back away in a few days, insisting that Mexico has done “something” to ease the refugee “crisis” and so he’s backing off on his threat to impose tariffs. The market will bounce back, the latest scare forgotten in a week, and he’ll continue going around talking about the “BEST ECONOMY EVAH!!!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 9:41:09am

re: #220 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Is there a zero hour for this?

Like, if by October there have still been no impeachment hearings do we continue to trust Nancy or would be it time to be all “OMG WTF are you idiots doing??”

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 9:41:47am

re: #210 A Cranky One

I disagree that she won’t do it. My sense is she’s setting the stage. We need to get more information out to the folks who aren’t paying attention first.

Then impeach the traitorous asshole.

Hope you are right.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 9:42:53am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Red Dawns

WOLVERINES!

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 9:43:00am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there a zero hour for this?

Like, if by October there have still be no impeachment hearings do we continue to trust Nancy or would be it time to be all “OMG WTF are you idiots doing??”

Ayeah, there reaches a point where teasing starts having negative results.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 31, 2019 • 9:43:56am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there a zero hour for this?

Like, if by October there have still be no impeachment hearings do we continue to trust Nancy or would be it time to be all “OMG WTF are you idiots doing??”

I think that’s fair. As long as all of us have done our jobs in helping her set the stage. Everyone has called their representative, right?

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 9:45:56am

re: #227 Charmingly Persistent

I think that’s fair. As long as all of us have done our jobs in helping her set the stage. Everyone has called their representative, right?

My rep is a tea party jackass.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 31, 2019 • 9:47:39am

While you’re talking to your congresscritters, remind them that Congress regulates trade. Including tariffs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 9:47:50am

re: #228 Scottish Dragon

My rep is a tea party jackass.

So is mine.

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sagehen  May 31, 2019 • 9:51:14am

re: #208 Belafon

That’s actually what the link is about, talking about all of the groups that either are, or are threatening to pull out over the abortion bill.

Which would seriously fuck Tyler Perry… then again, maybe he’d be willing to take the hit. also… what about Walking Dead?

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 9:54:28am

re: #231 sagehen

Which would seriously fuck Tyler Perry… then again, maybe he’d be willing to take the hit. also… what about Walking Dead?

Was wondering that also. They have a serious set in the middle of the state.

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Teukka  May 31, 2019 • 9:54:39am
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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 9:57:40am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

So is mine.

My old one was. My new one is not. The Blue Wave is the only wave to hit NM in 10 million years.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 10:04:57am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

It’s the retaliation where the wingnuts all rush out and spend hundreds of dollars to buy every single Disney/Pixar/Star Wars BluRay DVD they can find, burn them, and then post that on YouTube or whatever to TOTALLY OWN THE LIBS!!

You win. Didn’t think about going out and buying MOAR shit to destroy to OWN DA LIBTARDS

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 10:08:11am

re: #229 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

While you’re talking to your congresscritters, remind them that Congress regulates trade. Including tariffs.

Shit-for-brains use of executive power in places the legislature should have under ZOMG, we’re gonna die, it’s an emergency is grating on my sensibilities.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 10:10:06am
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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 10:14:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:17:05am

re: #238 wrenchwench

Keep in mind that this is a style guide, not a legal guideline.

And it refers only to the AP.

But trying to divorce a racist sentiment from the person who utters or publishes it is really pointless.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2019 • 10:20:31am

re: #172 sagehen

So I guess they’re opposed to heart transplants then? After all, those donors have perfectly healthy useful beating hearts, are we murdering them to give those hearts to somebody else?

Odd that there is such a thing as “brain dead” to indicate absolute, no-turning-back from dead, but there isn’t a thing called “heart dead” as long as there is still brain activity.

Funny how that works.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 10:24:07am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Keep in mind that this is a style guide, not a legal guideline.

And it refers to the AP.

But trying to divorce a racist sentiment from the person who utters or publishes it is really pointless.

The AP is Culture. Culture can be more important than law. I don’t see them as trying to divorce a sentiment from the utterer. I see them attaching the racism to the act, and the act to the person, whether the person ‘meant’ to do a racist act or not. They did one. I see the AP taking a little responsibility.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2019 • 10:26:02am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 10:26:30am

Today’s excitement…police shootout outside the Chick Fil A across the street…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 10:27:49am

re: #242 Charles Johnson

This X 1000.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:28:14am

re: #241 wrenchwench

The AP is Culture. Culture can be more important than law. I don’t see them as trying to divorce a sentiment from the utterer. I see them attaching the racism to the act, and the act to the person, whether the person ‘meant’ to do a racist act or not. They did one. I see the AP taking a little responsibility.

Culture shapes what we see and hear. I just wanted to stress the talking point that a lot of people insist on laboring about First Amendment rights being somehow restricted when the 1A clearly reads “Congress shall make no law….”

Ditto goes for Internet platforms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:29:18am

re: #242 Charles Johnson

If nothing else, Trump is certainly revealing that the US constitution was woefully unprepared for a narcissistic criminal president enabled by a corrupt power-hungry political party.

and that our electoral system is ill prepared to stand up to active interference from foreign powers aided and abetted by a domestic political party.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 10:32:16am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2019 • 10:32:25am

Moron FactsTM

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 10:33:52am

Ignorant, bankrupt-a-casino, pretend businessman Trump is startlingly bad at international trade.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2019 • 10:34:17am

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2019 • 10:35:23am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Shut up you illiterate moron.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:35:28am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Moron FactsTM

There is a core of relevance to this: we need a thorough, comprehensive and humane reform of our customs, immigration, residency, work permit, border security and drug policies.

Building walls, imposing random tariffs and locking refugees in cages isn’t doing anything to solve those problems, it is just posturing.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 10:35:46am

Bully has only one move.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2019 • 10:37:36am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 10:38:37am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cute little mushroom shaped tiny dingy bell…

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 10:38:53am

re: #235 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You win. Didn’t think about going out and buying MOAR shit to destroy to OWN DA LIBTARDS

And I don’t think anyone would be all that surprised if they did.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 10:38:58am

A billion dollars per day of commerce is conducted across the US/Mexico border. Was.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2019 • 10:39:08am

He’s going to fuck up the economy and he’s going to blame Hispanics because he knows only scapegoating and his deranged base will buy it.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2019 • 10:39:44am

re: #257 wrenchwench

A billion dollars per day of commerce is conducted across the US/Mexico border. Was.

They are the number one international trading partner of several states.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 10:43:36am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Moron FactsTM

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The numbers are like my blood pressure. They just keep going up.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 10:44:15am

re: #242 Charles Johnson

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A Republic, as long as you can keep it.

The Founders did not (or least hoped we would not) anticipate that the polity would fall into such tribal antagonism and ignorance. They knew some degree of that was always going to be around, but they did not know that the social system they created the constitution around would be so radically different from what we have now in terms of civic mores.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 10:45:16am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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How exactly does forcing American consumers to pay more stop illegal immigration?

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 10:45:23am
“…Mexico’s trade with the United States rose to $150.58 billion through the first three months of 2019, according to a WorldCity analysis of latest U.S. Census Bureau data. That’s 3.06 percent above its total trade during the same time period last year. Mexico’s exports increased 0.03 percent while imports rose 5.41 percent. The U.S. deficit with Mexico was $22.68 billion.

Through March, the top five among the nation’s airports, seaports and border crossings were No. 1 Port Laredo; No. 2 El Paso Border Crossing, Texas; No. 3 Otay Mesa Freeway Border Crossing, Calif.; No. 4 Pharr International Bridge in Texas; and No. 5 Santa Teresa Border Crossing, N.M.. During the same period the previous year, the top five were No. 1 Port Laredo No. 2 El Paso Border Crossing, Texas No. 3 Otay Mesa Freeway Border Crossing, Calif. No. 4 Pharr International Bridge in Texas and No. 5 Eagle Pass-Piedras Negras International Bridge, Border Crossing, Texas. In the current time period, the top five accounted for 67.62 percent of Mexico’s U.S. trade.”

ustradenumbers.com

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 10:46:16am

Nobody seems to know what the legal basis even is for these tariffs. Trump is just doing this with no legal authority.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 10:46:59am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

How exactly does forcing American consumers to pay more stop illegal immigration?

/

SHUT UP LIBTARD! MAGA WILL RULE THE WORLD!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:47:08am

re: #261 Scottish Dragon

A Republic, as long as you can keep it.

The Founders did not (or least hoped we would not) anticipate that the polity would fall into such tribal antagonism and ignorance. They knew some degree of that was always going to be around, but they did not know that the social system they created the constitution around would be so radically different from what we have now in terms of civic mores.

nor could they begin to conceive of modern communications or the role of international corporations and finance

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 10:48:29am

re: #263 jaunte

ustradenumbers.com

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Thanks for putting some facts behind (or in front of) my claim.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 10:49:00am

Trump’s big thing is he never fails, he’s never a loser, and that he’s always the victim. So he’s already setting up for his 2020 campaign message: “I WOULD HAVE FULFILLED ALL MY PROMISES IF THE DEMS HAD JUST WORKED WITH ME!”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2019 • 10:49:18am

Mexican produce will go through the roof, making it even harder for poor people to eat a healthy diet. Not to worry, the Trumpites have a replacement.

Facebook Post
re:

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Amory Blaine  May 31, 2019 • 10:49:32am

A throbbing group of cells is not a heartbeat. A fully formed and operational heart has a beat.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 10:49:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 10:49:37am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nor could they begin to conceive of modern communications or the role of international corporations and finance

Or Citizens United, Super PACs, Fox News, Gerrymandering, Voter disenfranchisement etc, etc.

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Amory Blaine  May 31, 2019 • 10:50:41am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Put a tarp on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:52:13am

re: #271 Scottish Dragon

Let me be CLEAR: in this nation, when a court doesn’t find you guilty, you’re found INNOCENT! @realDonaldTrump was exonerated and Dems need to move on!

This is not a court reaching a verdict, this is the equivalent of a grand jury deciding whether to bring charges. Which Mueller basically recommended, but was prevented by DOJ policy, and passed his recommendations on.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 10:52:23am

re: #271 Scottish Dragon

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A court does not declare anyone innocent, that’s not how the law works. You have the presumption of innocence and it is the job of the prosecution to prove your guilt. The most the jury can ever do is rule that the prosecution has failed to prove its case, it does not declare anyone innocent.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 10:53:24am

re: #275 Targetpractice

A court does not declare anyone innocent, that’s not how the law works. You have the presumption of innocence and it is the job of the prosecution to prove your guilt. The most the jury can ever do is rule that the prosecution has failed to prove its case, it does not declare anyone innocent.

An actual finding of innocence is rare and usually only happens on some sort of appeal.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 31, 2019 • 10:54:37am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As somebody noted about Florida: “Farther north you go, the more Southern you get.”

They never spent much time in central, central Florida.

To Kill A Mockingbird could have been based upon the central FL town I grew up in.

I was carefully taught, by caring adults.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:56:12am

re: #277 BeenHereAwhile

They never spent much time in central, central Florida.

To Kill A Mockingbird could have been based upon the central FL town I grew up in.

I was carefully taught, by caring adults.

Central FL (near what is now Disney World Orlando) is also where “2,000 Maniacs” was filmed

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Teukka  May 31, 2019 • 10:56:23am

re: #263 jaunte

ustradenumbers.com

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Is it just my ignorance of economics showing itself, or isn’t nerfing border trade like Trump is doing like the economical equivalent putting the business end of a loaded firearm in your mouth?

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TedStriker  May 31, 2019 • 10:57:26am

re: #277 BeenHereAwhile

They never spent much time in central, central Florida.

To Kill A Mockingbird could have been based upon the central FL town I grew up in.

I was carefully taught, by caring adults.

Lest we forget, George Zimmerman stalked and murdered Trayvon Martin in Sanford, a relative stone’s toss from Orlando and its massive tourist economy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 10:57:34am

re: #279 Teukka

Is it just my ignorance of economics showing itself, or isn’t nerfing border trade like Trump is doing like the economical equialent putting the business end of a loaded firearm in your mouth?

I am not entirely sure if he gets it, but most of his supporters really think that Mexico is paying those tariffs, not US companies and citizens who import products from Mexico.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 10:57:40am

Obviously the solution is tariffs on Mexico, followed by a fresh round of tax cuts for anyone making more than a million a year.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 10:58:48am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is not a court reaching a verdict, this is the equivalent of a grand jury deciding whether to bring charges. Which Mueller basically recommended, but was prevented by DOJ policy, and passed his recommendations on.

It wasn’t even really that. What you had was the cops ending their investigation saying they believed they could not sustain conspiracy charges but enough to show intent to obstruct, possibly even argue in a court that the failure to prove conspiracy stemmed from that obstruction. In the normal system, Mueller would be the lead detective handing off the case to a DA or AG to decide if it’s even worth taking before a grand jury, let alone going to trial based upon the evidence found.

As we’ve seen several times in the past decade alone, just because the cops don’t think there’s enough to sustain criminal charges does not mean the DA can’t decide otherwise. The cops don’t have the legal authority to declare you innocent.

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sagehen  May 31, 2019 • 10:58:51am

re: #238 wrenchwench

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So somebody’s been listening to Jay Smooth…

How To Tell Someone They Sound Racist

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 10:59:10am

re: #279 Teukka

If he gets it, he thinks he can survive politically because his strongest supporters would rather he “look tough” than keep their own money.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2019 • 11:01:04am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not entirely sure if he gets it, but most of his supporters really think that Mexico is paying those tariffs, not US companies and citizens who import products from Mexico.

They’ll believe the tariffs fall on Mexico and the increased cost of goods is “greed” by the companies that import from Mexico.

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Scottish Dragon  May 31, 2019 • 11:01:26am

NYT click whoring again

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 11:01:39am

From the link:

The Border Patrol said Friday the tunnel found Wednesday was connected to a storm drain that runs into the United States from Mexico.

The discovered tunnel was connected to an existing tunnel that connects the US with Mexico.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2019 • 11:06:16am

re: #284 sagehen

So somebody’s been listening to Jay Smooth…

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Video

’..rhetorical Bermuda Triangle.’ We’ve seen a few of those.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 11:07:39am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 11:10:48am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

How exactly does forcing American consumers to pay more stop illegal immigration?

/

It’s critical to stop the influx of that Godless Avocado Toast!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2019 • 11:11:37am

re: #261 Scottish Dragon

A Republic, as long as you can keep it.

The Founders did not (or least hoped we would not) anticipate that the polity would fall into such tribal antagonism and ignorance. They knew some degree of that was always going to be around, but they did not know that the social system they created the constitution around would be so radically different from what we have now in terms of civic mores.

Which leads to people who are hidebound and worshipers of dead white men thinking that the constitution is immutable and should be interpreted as though the US were still an agronomist society.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2019 • 11:12:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 11:15:14am

Florida is an interesting pastiche.

In the South, you can thank Cuban immigration and the big tourist economy (draws workers from many regions and backgrounds) for the more liberal, melting pot kind of society.

On the panhandle, once you go a few miles north of the beaches, you’re basically in Southern Georgiabama all the way east to Jacksonville. (Note: The state capital of Tallahassee is in this region)

There’s a lot of more rural areas in Central Florida, but again, once you reach salt water in either direction you find more blue leaning areas.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 11:16:29am
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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 11:17:24am

re: #290 jaunte

Pretty sure that Trump might actually need those states to win re-election next year.

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A Cranky One  May 31, 2019 • 11:17:43am

I really wish Democrats would start calling the tariffs what they truly are: a massive tax increase which impacts the poor and middle class.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 11:18:49am
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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 11:19:08am

re: #292 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Which leads to people who are hidebound and worshipers of dead white men thinking that the constitution is immutable and should be interpreted as though the US were still an agronomist society.

And I think a lot of those same people deeply resent the fact that the US is no longer a rural agrarian society.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 11:20:32am

re: #298 jaunte

I figured that would probably happen. Cue the RW splodey heads.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 11:21:50am
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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 11:24:08am

re: #301 jaunte

And the rich got their tax cuts. WOOHOO! /s

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 11:26:05am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

And I think a lot of those same people deeply resent the fact that the US is no longer a rural agrarian society.

In a broad sense our nation could be described as a combination of densely populated more liberal urban centers surrounded by more rural conservative areas. There are exceptions of course, but many states follow this model:

- Pennsylvania is often referred to as “Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in between”.

- Washington tracks more conservative the further east you travel from the Sea-Tac area.

- Northern NY (Adirondack region) has many small, conservative leaning communities.

- We we were talking about the makeup of Florida a few comments ago.

- Most of Texas outside of Houston, Austin, Dallas-Ft.Worth, San Antonio and some areas in the South is very conservative.

- Most of Georgia outside of Atlanta and a few smaller urban areas is highly conservative.

The list goes on and on. It’s basically cities vs rural areas in the battle for control. Thanks to gerrymandering and the EC, the rural areas wield plenty of clout despite often representing a much smaller percentage of the population.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2019 • 11:26:21am

re: #261 Scottish Dragon

A Republic, as long as you can keep it.

The Founders did not (or least hoped we would not) anticipate that the polity would fall into such tribal antagonism and ignorance. They knew some degree of that was always going to be around, but they did not know that the social system they created the constitution around would be so radically different from what we have now in terms of civic mores.

The Framers also devised a system that was built in large part on what you might call “indirect democracy.” Yes, voters could directly elect members of the House. But the Senate was supposed to be elected by state legislatures - so voters would vote for legislators and then trust them to make the right decision. Same with the president, the Framers envisioned Electors being able to vote their conscious.

Of course, state legislatures trying to pick Senators became a clusterfuck that took a century to fix. And Electors became bound by popular vote in a winner take all fashion that doesn’t really make sense (even if we can’t get rid of the Electoral College, awarding Electors proportionally by state would be better than the status quo (the interstate compact based on the popular vote is probably the best way)).

As brilliant as the US constitutional system is, it is a pre-industrial early-modern system that we’ve tried to overlay first on an industrial modern society and now a post-industrial late-modern/post-modern society.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2019 • 11:27:34am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

Florida is an interesting pastiche.

In the South, you can thank Cuban immigration and the big tourist economy (draws workers from many regions and backgrounds) for the more liberal, melting pot kind of society.

On the panhandle, once you go a few miles north of the beaches, you’re basically in Southern Georgiabama all the way east to Jacksonville. (Note: The state capital of Tallahassee is in this region)

There’s a lot of more rural areas in Central Florida, but again, once you reach salt water in either direction you find more blue leaning areas.

Rick Wilson explained Florida by saying something along the lines of “the further south you go, the more northern it is; and the further north you go, the more southern it is.”

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2019 • 11:30:39am

Lre: #305 KGxvi

Rick Wilson explained Florida by saying something along the lines of “the further south you go, the more northern it is; and the further north you go, the more southern it is.”

I was told similarly about Louisiana though NOLA is very unique in itself.

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 11:31:15am

re: #303 Eclectic Cyborg

Oregon is very much the same as Washington. Look at California; you don’t need to get too far inland before things start looking mighty red. Until quite recently, Orange County was a reliable GOP bastion.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 11:31:58am

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

They forgot that millimeters are UnAmerican.

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makeitstop  May 31, 2019 • 11:32:38am

re: #305 KGxvi

Rick Wilson explained Florida by saying something along the lines of “the further south you go, the more northern it is; and the further north you go, the more southern it is.”

He also said this earlier today…

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KGxvi  May 31, 2019 • 11:32:52am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

And I think a lot of those same people deeply resent the fact that the US is no longer a rural agrarian society.

The split was there from the beginning, though. That was the Jefferson (yeomen farmers) vs Hamilton (metropolitan) debate. And it was central to many of the compromises made in the constitution. It has been one of the true defining threads of American history.

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 11:33:15am

re: #309 jaunte

They forgot that millimeters are UnAmerican.

IN ‘MURICA, WE DON’T MEASURE FREEDOM IN EUROWEENIE!

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Dr Lizardo  May 31, 2019 • 11:33:53am

re: #311 KGxvi

The split was there from the beginning, though. That was the Jefferson (yeomen farmers) vs Hamilton (metropolitan) debate. And it was central to many of the compromises made in the constitution. It has been one of the true defining threads of American history.

True - that split has been with us since day one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 11:34:04am

re: #305 KGxvi

Rick Wilson explained Florida by saying something along the lines of “the further south you go, the more northern it is; and the further north you go, the more southern it is.”

Having been through most of Florida at one time or another, I can attest to the accuracy of this statement. At least in a broad sense.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2019 • 11:34:53am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

Oregon is very much the same as Washington. Look at California; you don’t need to get too far inland before things start looking mighty red. Until quite recently, Orange County was a reliable GOP bastion.

Orange, San Diego, Riverside, and San Bernardino Counties had all been pretty consistently Republican in the 20th century. That’s changed - for a variety of reasons - in the last few decades, but I’d still call most of them “purple” rather than “blue”.

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jaunte  May 31, 2019 • 11:35:02am

re: #310 makeitstop

Rick Wilson explained Florida by saying something along the lines of “the further south you go, the more northern it is; and the further north you go, the more southern it is.”

When I lived in Miami I was surprised by how New York it was, where it wasn’t Havana.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2019 • 11:36:00am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

L

I was told similarly about Louisiana though NOLA is very unique in itself.

Eh, Lousiana is a little bit different. NOLA is definitely unique and very blue, though Baton Rouge and Shreveport also tilt Democratic. Outside of these three cities, the state is pretty conservative no matter which direction you go.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2019 • 11:36:40am

re: #317 Eclectic Cyborg

Eh, Lousiana is a little bit different. NOLA is definitely unique and very blue, though Baton Rouge and Shreveport also tilt Democratic. Outside of these three cities, the state is pretty conservative no matter which direction you go.

True.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2019 • 11:39:49am

re: #309 jaunte

They forgot that millimeters are UnAmerican.

Yeah, I’m wondering if the Euro-wimp caliber might be another sign of Russian subversion. You would never see John Wayne with a nine, he would have a red-blooded .45ACP. And there is a lot of red blood associated with it.
Believe me, I know. (And thanks again, blood donors!)

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William Lewis  May 31, 2019 • 11:42:25am

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bow down before your God! (This is real)
Freedom in 9mm: the 1911 pistol forged with pieces of the Statue Of Liberty

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Oy. The Fundamentalist Idolatry of this ugly thing is painful. I like guns but this is just a silly POS that makes me shake my head in sadness at the waste of steel. Just give me a nice basic revolver and I’ll be happy. Something inexpensive like an Armscor M200 perhaps? I find it’s plain grey parkerized finish to be better looking than that thing.

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steve_davis  May 31, 2019 • 11:42:46am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Congress must act as a prosecutor to bring charges against someone.

Few prosecutors are going to bring charges unless they see a reasonable chance of success.

Right now there is little.

Nancy is waiting for that situation to change.

From newsmax of all places:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., says she believes President Donald Trump actually wants to be impeached so the Senate could clear him.

She made her comments on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” Thursday night.

“I think the president wants us to impeach him,” Pelosi said. “He knows it’s not a good idea to be impeached, but the silver lining for him is then, he believes, that he would be exonerated by the United States Senate.

“And there is a school of thought that says, ‘If the Senate acquits you, why bring charges against him in the private sector when he’s no longer president?’ So when we go through with our case, it’s got to be ironclad. Ironclad.”

she’s also not saying the quiet thing: by not impeaching him, the House leaves Trump as effectively a lame duck president. He has no momentum to get anything done, unlike Pence, who is just competent enough to move legislation. And as much as Democrats aren’t talking about it, next time they have the Senate and presidency, I pretty much promise you they will at least pack the supreme court. We aren’t going to spend the next 40 years dealing with a conservative court that is the result of two presidents who couldn’t even muster a majority of the vote.

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steve_davis  May 31, 2019 • 11:46:35am

re: #104 Targetpractice

That’s the $64,000 question. If the whole argument against impeachment is that we have to have a case so airtight that the Senate Repubs will have no choice but to vote to impeach, just what is it we need to reach that point?

It has to be something beyond a kind of nebulous obstruction. It would need to be tax evasion. I mean, I know that’s pretty white-collar, but if the House gets Trump’s taxes, and it turns out he’s gamed the system, or if there’s evidence that—along those lines—he’s significantly gamed his income in order to get Deutche Bank loans, that would bring forth impeachment. It can’t be a kind of “we say impeachment, the senate says it isn’t, let’s call the whole thing off.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 12:02:06pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Peter Sellers warned us about Chance The Gardener.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2019 • 12:05:58pm

re: #264 Scottish Dragon

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sagehen  May 31, 2019 • 12:10:22pm

re: #315 KGxvi

Orange, San Diego, Riverside, and San Bernardino Counties had all been pretty consistently Republican in the 20th century. That’s changed - for a variety of reasons - in the last few decades, but I’d still call most of them “purple” rather than “blue”.

In the 1970s and 80s California was reliably Republican. Nixon and Reagan were not anomalies. As the R’s became more Jesus-y and more Ayn Randian Cali became a swing state. It wasn’t until Prop 187 and Pete Wilson that the state turned BLUE BLUE BLUE.

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Broad With Sass  May 31, 2019 • 12:52:22pm

re: #277 BeenHereAwhile

They never spent much time in central, central Florida.

To Kill A Mockingbird could have been based upon the central FL town I grew up in.

I was carefully taught, by caring adults.

Thank God the east central Florida town live in is really some where “up north”

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retired cynic  May 31, 2019 • 5:30:42pm

re: #131 Joe Bacon 🌹

George Will still pines for the days of Ayn Rand.

And it’s nice to see that the Washington Post blocks me from commenting on his latest paean to selfishness…

washingtonpost.com

I wouldn’t even bother reading past the title.


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